Showing posts with label Flash Crash. Show all posts
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Flash Crash Slams Several Stocks

Got this in my comments:

  • newbie has left a new comment on your post "MaeMode Defaults Its Loan Payments And Enters PN17...":

    Dear Moolah, Did you notice the sharp fall in a number of stocks today?Stocks like BJTOTO,BKAWAN,TDM,CBIP and COASTAL plunged near the end of the session .Remembered you wrote about a similar subject some time ago.Any conspiracy theories behind such fall? Spooked quite a number of people.Thanks for your time reading this. 
 Yes, I did write about this before and it's rather spooky again.

This is the 3rd time something like this happen and yet here we are again.

Has something been done?

Are they gonna say it's an error trade again?

21 Oct 2011:
And almost one year ago,About Stock Market Yesterday: The Day KLSE Decided to Have Gap Up And Gap Down All Over

Same thing all over again.....!!!!!

Several stocks went limit down at the very last minute of trade.

Several stocks shot up too!!!

Come on SC.

Come on Bursa.

Don't tell me you guys saw nothing.............

Apparently they did and they just said " Trades ‘valid and genuine’

!!!!!!

  • Six counters from mid-caps to big ones, namely, Hap Seng Plantations Holdings Bhd, Batu Kawan Bhd, TDM Bhd, CB Industrial Product Holding Bhd (CBIP), Coastal Contracts Bhd and Berjaya Sports Toto Bhd, hit limit-down, or a 30% plunge, with a combined trade of RM43.1mil in that short time window during pre-close.

    While the trading pattern may seem like an “error in trading” could have taken place, a Bursa Malaysia representative when contacted by StarBizWeek clarified: “With regards to the eight stocks which hit their limits-up (two) and down (six), Bursa Malaysia has investigated the matter and has confirmed with the broker that the basket order, which was from their institutional client, was valid and genuine.
Valid and genuine????


Has the institutional client lost their marbles???


Why DUMP all those shares and sell with limit down orders????


You believe???


Yeah, I think extremely likely of the pre-close trading. It's nonsense and we get to see nonsensical trades like this!!!

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Here is how the flash crash looked like....

HSPLANT


BATU KAWAN


TDM


See how these stocks literally fell off the cliff near the end of closing trade???

Which institutional client would give a mindless trade order like this??????

I just highlighted 3. There are more.

And here is the opposite.

Some stocks went straight up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JCY


STAR


Oh yes, there are several more stocks trading in such an outrageous manner at end of trade. Some plunging while others surge limit up.

What gives?

Come on Bursa, you cannot just say that these trades are from an institutional client and that the trades were valid and genuine.

Of course they are valid.

But.... think lah.

Do you call this a fair and orderly stock market???

Well again... if these institutional clients are so important then what about the retail investors???

Which retail investors wants to be a long term shareholder when market shenanigans like this happen and the culprits get away freely????

Sigh.


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    Trading The Milliseconds Time Frame

    On CNN Money. http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/08/02/knight-high-frequency-loss/?iid=HP_LN

    • Why Knight lost $440 million in 45 minutes
      By Stephen Gandel, senior editorAugust 2, 2012: 4:32 PM ET

      The high frequency trading battle between exchanges and market makers is resulting in big losses not just for Wall Street, but, likely, for us too.

      FORTUNE -- In life there are few coincidences, and this one probably isn't either: The day Knight Capital Group's computers nearly blew up the market and lost the firm $440 million in 45 minutes is the same day that the New York Stock Exchange (NYX) launched a new trading system that was, in part, meant to take business away from Knight (KCG).

      For the past half decade or so, there has been a tug of war over who completes the buy and sell orders for stocks that average investors like you and I make. It used to happen in the pits of the NYSE. These days, almost none of the trades that folks like you and I make ever get to the exchange. Instead, they get cut off, diverted into the computer systems of Knight or its main competitors Citadel, Citigroup and UBS, which match those with the millions of other orders they collect.

      And the pace at which these firms have been able to divert traffic from the NYSE has been accelerating. In 2009, about 15% of all trades took place away from the NYSE. Now about a third of all the trades in NYSE-listed shares happen elsewhere.
      It's not clear why this battle over individual stock trades is so pitched. Knight pays brokers for its so-called order flow. And it guarantees that individuals get a slightly better price than what they would get at the exchange. Those stock trades get fed into Knight's computers, which use lightning fast trading algorithms to figure out how to make money off the orders the firm has just paid up for. This is, in part, the high frequency trading that you have heard about.

      Some say that market makers provide a service. Others say Knight and others seek out the orders of individual investors because they view those orders as so-called dumb flow and easier to trade against. What is clear is that Knight and others have figured out how to make money off the stock trades of you and me in ways that we can't detect but we probably pay for somehow. Eric Scott Hunsader, who runs trading research firm Nanex, estimates market makers have been able to generate $5 billion in profits rapidly trading the orders of individual investors and others in the past seven years.
      On Wednesday, the same day that Knight lost $440 million, the NYSE launched its own computer driven trading system, called the Retail Liquidity Program, that the exchange hopes will reclaim some of the trading volume it has lost to market makers. NYSE hopes RLP will create more competition among traders and brokers and market makers so that more of those orders get filled at better prices on the exchange. The new system also offers financial incentives for brokers to complete their orders on the exchange, similar to the payments long made by Knight and others that lured trades away from NYSE.

      Knight says the computer problems it ran into had to do with NYSE's new trading system, but it didn't say what. Tellingly, all of the stocks that Knight's computers did bogus trades in were listed on the NYSE. It's likely that Knight tried to upgrade its own algorithm to allow its computers to do an end around the NYSE's new system. But it messed up somehow. Instead, Knight's computer system, launched on the same day as the NYSE's, went on a trading frenzy, buying and selling millions of shares on its own shortly after both systems were switched on when the market opened at 9:30 Wednesday morning.

      Normally that shouldn't have produced any real losses. These weren't actual orders, so Knight's system should have just been buying and selling to itself. But that's not how the world of high frequency trading works. When other traders, i.e. computer systems, saw the spike in activity, they jumped in too.

      Knight disabled the faulty algorithm by 10:15. But by then the damage was done. Knight was out $440 million. Dozens of stocks, including Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway (BRKB), had gyrated up and down, and our faith in the market was shaken once again.

      In theory, we should all benefit from this competition, being able to trade at cheaper and cheaper prices. But in practice the "price improvements" that Knight and now NYSE offer are fractions of a fraction of a penny. At best, what we are getting in return is a market that is less stable. At worst, we are getting a system that is picking our pockets.

      If this isn't a clear case where we need regulators to step in, I don't know what is.

    Firstly, here's BRKA chart. Notice the big jolt on 1st Aug?


    What's most interesting were the comments made by Eric Scott Hunsader, who runs trading research firm Nanex . Here's Nanex posting on 1st Aug 2012.

    http://www.nanex.net/aqck2/3522.html

    1. EXC One second interval chart. Circles are trades, the blue coloring is the NYSE bid and ask which is mostly covered by gray lines that connect the trades.
    If we zoom in and look at what happens under one second, then a clear pattern emerges. We think it's important to note that the SEC claimed there is no value to be gained from looking at data in time resolutions under a second "because it is just noise". We strongly disagree.



    2. A 25 millisecond interval chart that zooms into a 27 second period of the chart above. Now the gray lines connecting trades are more clearly visible. NYSE's bid/ask is the blue shaded area (the bid price is the bottom of the shading, and the ask is the top).


    The next 2 charts illustrate trade executions that ping-pong between hitting the ask and hitting the bid. As if someone is buying at the offer and then, almost immediately, selling at the bid, then buying at the offer, then selling at the bid and so forth. It turns out, the gray shading you see in charts above are the zig-zag lines connecting the alternating buy and sell executions. That's right, almost all these trades alternate between buying at the offer and selling at the bid, which means losing the difference in price. In the case of EXC, that means losing about 15 cents on every pair of trades. Do that 40 times a second, 2400 times a minute, and you now have a system that's very efficient at burning money.

    3. Zooming in to a 1 millisecond interval chart, we can see one second of data which shows 39 trades.



    4. A 25 millisecond interval chart of Nokia (NOK) showing the same pattern as above.  Note: this chart shows bids and offers from NYSE as blue triangles instead of shading. There are so many trades that they appear as a coiling black mass. In Nokia, the trade rate was a steady 200 per second for many minutes.

    Source again: http://www.nanex.net/aqck2/3522.html

    WOW!

    That's the three letter words.

    We do hear some traders who trades the 5 mins and even the 1 min interval but with these machines, trades can be done 200 times per second for many minutes! These machines, they are trading the milliseconds time frame!

    All hail the mighty HIGH FREQUENCY TRADING programs!

    The machines. They are here.

    On Bloomberg TV.: http://bloom.bg/MeOd7I


    Joyce on whether Knight Capital will survive:

    “On days like yesterday and today, we have a lot of work to do. We have to make sure we work with our counterparties, our clients to get the answers they want and we are pursuing that as we speak and we are also exploring other alternatives such as strategic investments or investors and other financing alternatives. We have work to do and we’re doing it now.”

    On what he means by strategic investments:
    “Obviously, if we were having specific conversations I wouldn’t be able to tell you that… We know we have some work ahead of us and we are diligently pursuing that, and we’re staying in close contact with our clients and counterparties as we get through the situation.”

    On whether these other financing alternatives will keep Knight Capital in business:
    “That’s what our goal is, and we’re working hard to accomplish that. We have all hands on deck and we understand what the issues are, we are talking to a lot of capable people, people who are in touch with situations like this. So, we’re working hard and we have all hands moving forward to address this and resolve this.”

    On whether any credit lines have been pulled:
    “As you might imagine, during the day to day activity, it’s hard to comment. Our general counsel would prefer I don’t go too deeply into what’s going on with the day to day action. So it’s one of those things I don’t think I can really comment on right now.”

    On whether there are any firms with which Knight Capital had been trading that are not right now:
    “All our clients respect what we did yesterday. They were very happy with us because once we realized we had a problem, we alerted them and got them out of the way. Our clients have a great deal of confidence in us, but much like the questions that were just asked about day to day activity, I can assure you our general counsel would prefer that I not get into any specific details.”

    On what happened yesterday:
    “We put in a new bit of software the night before because we were getting ready to trade the NYSE’s RLP program. This has nothing to do with the stock exchange. It had to do with our readiness to trade it. Unfortunately, the software had a fairly major bug in it. It sent into the market a ton of orders, all erroneous, so we ended up with a large error position which we had to sort through the balance of the day. It was a software bug, except it happened to be a very large software bug, as soon as we realized what we had we got it out of the code and it is gone now. The code has been restored. We feel very confident in the current operating environment we’ve reestablished.”

    On why it took so long to not only fix the problem, but to identify and take responsibility for it:
    “We were talking to our clients right away and got they got out of the way, which is great because nobody else except for us was wounded by this activity. So, we don’t think we actually acted in a slow fashion at all because our primary focus was on us alerting our clients and keeping them out of harm’s way.”

    On how Knight Capital’s situation compares to the Facebook IPO:
    “I know we’re in a similar situation, but I would argue that it’s apples and baseballs when you compare them because as I said at the time, technology breaks. It ain’t good. We don’t look forward to it, but technology breaks. What happens next is how you escalate it. We’re very proud of the fact that we escalated to it directly to our clients and got them out of harm’s way. There are two things over here that we take great pride in which is our client focus and our culture which is so involved with compliance. We have a culture of compliance and client focus and we asserted both of those things yesterday.”

    On what Knight Capital’s situation says about the integrity of the U.S. equity markets:
    “If you get involved in the day to take minutia and not invest for the long term, this will give you a headache, no question about it. We’re not happy that we added to that pile around days there were difficult for the individual investor. But it is also just affecting us. It does not affect the individual investor and we did not harm any investors and got them out of the web.”

    On whether he’d buy shares of a company that within a day or two could be wiped out, like Knight Capital:
    “Of course not, this was an anomaly. You cannot immunize people from making mistakes. You cannot keep people from doing stupid things whether it is writing some imperfect code or buying the wrong stock at the wrong time. That is what happens when you have a culture of risk. If you do your homework and do the right job, you’ll be rewarded over time. If you stay away from the day-to-day minutia and look for the long term, as an equity investor, it will work out.”

    On whether Knight is still steering clients to other places:
    “As you can see behind me, we are open for business today. We are reasonably busy and keeping active. By the end of the day yesterday, many clients had started to route back. We’re open for business. We got rid of the bad trade and that freed up a lot of capital. We actually have excess capital right now. We have worked to get ourselves in good shape and communicated that to our clients. Clients are making their decisions with full transparency as to how to interact with us.”

    On whether voice trading should be brought back:
    “This had very little to do with voice trading versus electronic trading. This software problem was an infrastructure problem. It had nothing to do with our quantitative models and nothing to do with our market-making models. This was something that was separate and distinct from trading. It was more of a networking problem as opposed to using quantitative tools to trade.”

    On Knight Capital’s search for more capital:
    “It is hard to give anybody a timeline when you are working through it, but we are focused and doing all the work I believe need to be done as we speak. We’re kind of pushing ahead and we hope to have the news and then we will share it immediately with our shareholders, our regulators and stakeholders.”

    On what kind of investor Knight Capital is looking for:
    “It is kind of hard to isolate what kind of structure we prefer. We’re keeping an open mind and talking to some counterparties and relationships as we speak.”

    On how to restore confidence in the company’s employees:
    “We tried very hard over the last decade to build a culture here that people admire and enjoy coming to work and people are supportive and there’s teamwork. During the trials and tribulations of the last 48 hours, this team has been nothing short of remarkable and the people at Knight Capital group are a team I am incredibly proud to be a part of.” (transcript taken from: http://wallstreetpit.com/94521-knight-capital-kcg-ceo-says-all-hands-on-deck )

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    About Stock Market Yesterday: The Day KLSE Decided to Have Gap Up And Gap Down All Over

    Three words that best described yesterday's stock market were "What The Hell!".

    Yes, the market closed up some 8 pts and all you read is comments like the following:

    • On Bursa Malaysia, Nestlé was the top gainer, jumping RM2.20 to RM57.40. Carlsberg was up RM1.68 to RM12.98, Pharmaniaga added RM1.51 to RM6.50; Dutch Lady rose 90 sen to RM34.54; TDM climbed 54 sen to RM4.55; Takaful advanced 27 sen to RM5.51; Tradewinds rose 33 sen to RM9.30; IJM Land and UMW added 31 sen each to RM2.38 and RM8.70 respectively; while MMHE was up 30 sen to RM5.40.

      The actives included Luster, DSC Solutions, Hap Seng, Flonic, Maybank, Telekom, DiGi and Arientec. The decliners on Friday included BAT, F&N, United PLANTATION []s, GAB, Aeon, Batu Kawan, Petronas Dagangan, Petronas Gas and Genting Plantations.
    Taken from http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-news/215505-klci-closes-861-points-higher-week-on-week-as-global-shares-rise-.html

    What was most interesting was how the stocks traded!

    Take Telekom or TM. The stock had appeared to have a normal trading day. It opened trading at 5.52 and close the day down 9 sen at 5.42. Nothing out of ordinary until one inspects how the stock closed the day down 9 sen.


    As you can see the sudden plunge of the stock right at the closing bell. Look below at how the stock was trading at 16:44:12. Stock was trading at 5.50 just before the last trade closing. Then somehow the market decided that the stock should trade some 16 bids lower at 5.42! 16 bids lower!


    This is the 5 min chart of TM.



    See how the massive gap down in the very last trade?

    ( Ah.. the

    Perhaps this is not the best example!!! Yes, embrace for some even more drastic intraday trades.

    Let's look at FN, one of the decliners yesterday.


    FN PLUNGED at the last closing trade!!!!


    FN was trading at 18.46 at 16:40:12. Then at the closing day trade, the markets decided that FN should trade at 16.80. And that's just a swing of a mere 1.66!!! That's just a gap down of 17 bids!


    Yes, that's how a 17 bid flash crash looks like!

    Look at the spike in volume too!

    Yeah postings. Do refer the posting made in 2010: They Just Don't Trust Wall Street. Well at least the stocks mentioned somehow recovered. In FN Holdings case, the stock literally died at closing bell!

    Yeah... what the hell!!!!!

    Want another one? Let's look at another one, BAT  I will just post the 5 mins intraday chart and just like FN, BAT plunged at the close!


    And DIGI plunged too at the closing bell.


    And then Media? It decided to do something different. It had an incredible upwards surge during the morning!!!





    At 10:02:20 the stock was trading at 2.36. Five seconds later at 10:02:24, the stock went down to 2.27. And within the same second, the stock tracker showed the stock had jumped back up in a flash to 2.40. WOAHHHH!!!!

    And IT wasn't done! Look below.


    The very last second of 10:02 or at 10:02:59, the stock has surged to 2.78!!

    So at 10:02, in that 60 seconds, the stock went from 2.36 to 2.27 to 2.78!!!!

    Oh yeah... What the hell!

    And the party ended just as fast. At 10:03:42, the stock went from 2.78 to 2.41!!!!

    Holy cow!

    Here's KLK. It did its crashing right early in the morning trade!


    IOI went straight up just before closing.


    Nestle? Nestle just went up straight up like crazy in the morning trade.


    I really can go on and on. What one will see is a sudden gap up or down (with heavy volume too)  in the stock trading.

    Let me name some other stocks. Maxis, Petronas Chemicals, Petronas Dagangan, Maybank, RHB Cap, Sime, United Plantations, Genting Plantations, Parkson, Shell, Asia File, Sunway, MPHB, Orient.

    And this 'long' list is derived from a quick glance thru. I am sure the list is much longer!

    So how?






    ps: Any news coverage on this incredible gap-ing day? Did someone did some test run on their new fancy stock trading algos?

    ps/ps: Here's a recent article on the Edge: http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/in-the-financial-daily/209862-moving-towards-frictionless-markets.html

    ps/ps/ps: Feel free to add to the stock list.

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    Thanks to solomon :

    Carlsberg: How's this for a melt UP??!!


    GAB! Now this a good one thanks to kjgooi.

    Well if Carlsberg went into a melt UP during closing, why on earth did GAB do a melt DOWN????!!!



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    And FBM KLCI Decided To Have Its Own FLASH CRASH!

    Say cheese!



    Was that fun or was that fun?

    The culprits?

    Pick your poison.... in random order

    Sime Darby



    Petronas Dagangan


    IJM



    DIGI


    MISC



    KLK


    IOI


    TENAGA


    PPB Group



    HLFG



    MHB

    HL Bank


    MISSED OUT....

    PETGAS



    AIRPORT



    ps: see the volume..
    ps: where's the calculator...
    ps: did i miss out any stock?
    ps: Wanna know more about flash crash? Click here:


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    From the Edge Malaysia: KLCI plunges 70 pts due to trades keyed by broker
    • An official from Bursa Malaysia Securities Bhd in an e-mailed statement confirmed that the drop of the index at 4.41pm on Friday was due to trades keyed in by the said broker.

      Among the stocks that fell steeply before paring down losses were KLK, DiGi and PPB.

    Err... is that all there is to say?

    -----

    This was on Business Times. ( Small piece -- it's like NOTHING happened.
    • Bursa: Sharp fall due to broker deals

      Published: 2011/10/22

      KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia's stock exchange operator, Bursa Malaysia Bhd said a sharp drop in the FTSE Bursa KLCI, its benchmark index, was due to trades keyed in on select index component stocks by a broker.
      The KLCI dropped 4.8 per cent at 4:41pm to 1,371.92 points from 1,440.52 points before recovering 10 minutes later.

      The benchmark index closed down 0.2 per cent for the day at 1,438.83 points.

      Bursa did not say if the trades were made deliberately or by accident. - Reuter

      Read more: Bursa: Sharp fall due to broker deals http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/BURTA/Article/index_html#ixzz1bT5W6VQL

    Here's Star Biz comments: KLCI down on cautious stance

    Flash crash? What flash? ( I guess the flash must be really such a flash that they saw absolutely nuthin'! )

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    And Who Is Ruling Wall Street?

    Remember this two old postings?

    Morningstar Reckons Fund Flows Due To Flash Crash and They Just Don't Trust Wall Street. The video from the first posting again.





    Yup that was the day that "More On The Day The Markets Went Nuts". (Do read) and 8 Points And More On Yesterday Plunge

    Today on CNN: Computers rule Wall Street

    • Computers rule Wall Street

      By Ken Sweet, contributing writer August 12, 2011: 7:08 PM ET

      Traders said they've seen high-frequency trading volumes jump sharply since the beginning of the month, which may have ampilfied the recent volatility.

      NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The computers have taken over Wall Street, and they're taking investors on a wild ride.
      This week, the Dow swung back and forth more than 400 points on four straight days. Trading volume is at or near record levels.

      It's not fast-talking traders on the New York Stock Exchange behind the action. The majority of trading is done on large server farms based in New Jersey and elsewhere.
      "These types of moves are certainly greater than anything we've seen in the last 10 years, and it's absolutely because now the majority of the orders are being done by these high-frequency trading robots," said Sal Arnuk, co-founder of Themis Trading, an independent brokerage firm.

      High-frequency trading, also known as algorithmic or programmed trading, relies on software to determine when to buy and sell shares, usually based on a particular pattern or technical level in the market. These trades can happen several times a minute.

      High-frequency trading makes up 53% of all trading in U.S. stock markets, up from 21% in 2005, said Larry Tabb, president and CEO of market research firm Tabb Group. Other estimates put it even higher, at around 65%.

      Gary Wedbush, executive vice president and head of capital markets at Wedbush Securities, told Bloomberg News on Friday that more than 80% of the firm's orders since Aug. 1 have come from high-frequency trading clients, at five times the typical volume.

      Nearly everyone on Wall Street is involved in algorithmic trading in some form, Tabb said, including large banks, hedge funds and mutual funds.
      "These firms often piggyback on large orders, so it can amplify a stock's movement," Arnuk said.

      Experts don't blame high-frequency trading entirely for the market's nauseating moves, but they say it certainly exacerbates them.

      The Securities and Exchange Commission in a report blamed high-frequency trading in part for the May 6, 2010 "flash crash," when the Dow fell nearly 1,000 points in minutes.

    For those interested, do check this one out: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/presenting-todays-21-least-mini-flash-crashes

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    Another Day Another Flash Crash, 10% In 8 Seconds!

    On Barron's: Trades 'Busted' After S&P 500 ETF Drops 9.6%

    I added some comments in bold purple font.

    • By Murray Coleman
      Just a few weeks after trades in one of the most popular bond ETFs were canceled due to what exchange officials described as essentially a clerical error, a similar ‘bust’ took place. ( Ahem! Not the first! )

      The NYSE Euronext (NYX) said Monday it had busted — i.e. canceled — trades in the SPDR S&P 500 ETF (SPY). ( ??? These trades will be .... busted! Can just cancel just like this????? OMG! Is the US Markets turning into the world biggest Mickey Mouse stock exchange or .... what??? LOL! LOL! )

      The most liquid ETF in the U.S. dropped almost 10% in eight seconds as about 7.2 million shares were traded, according to a late Bloomberg report. ( the most liquid, the most traded stock in the US and in the world.... dropped 10% in 8 seconds! Damn! I wonder who is faster? Usain or these jokers???? )

      The story estimated the cancellations briefly erased $7.9 billion from SPY’s value.

      On Oct. 1, one of the most popular bond ETFs also had a short yet nasty fall.

      The iShares iBOXX Investment Grade Corporate Bond ETF (LQD) dropped nearly 10% early in that day’s session.

      At the time, NYSE Euronext told Barron’s the problem was due to a clerical mistake in entering the wrong amounts on a large ticket. ( Clerical mistake? Who are they trying to kid???? )

      No matter what the reason this time, the mishap couldn’t have come at a worse time. ( yeah... for whatever the reason... isn't it a wonder... why folks don't trust Wall Street? Doesn't it make sense when you keep hearing folks complain that the markets are rigged? LOL! But for some... it doesn't matter, what matters is the markets are UP! LOL! )

      Apparently, data showing SPY had taken such a big drop became public just as Apple (AAPL) and IBM (IBM) were announcing earnings.

    Oooo.... the drop happened when AAPL and IBM were announcing their earnings?

    LOL!

    Hmmm... those 2 stocks fell after hours... :P

    On ZH: SPY Flash Crashes: NYSE Cancels $500 Million Worth Of Trades

    • Why bother with crashing individual stocks when you can crash the most traded entity of all. Today at precisely 4:15 the SPY flash crashed, sending the price of the most popular security in the world down to $106.46 from its opening price of $117.74.





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    Morningstar Reckons Fund Flows Due To Flash Crash

    On Morningstar: Fund Flows Show Two Takes on Risk

    ........ Morningstar Director of Personal Finance Christine Benz spoke to Editorial Director Kevin McDevitt to delve deeper into the wayward ways of investors and the risks of following trends.

    Click here to see the video clip

    Part of the transcript:

    • Benz: So, Kevin, I'd like to discuss the ongoing trend toward bonds. It appears that we're still seeing investors showing a strong preference for bonds over equities. Why do you think that is? What are the drivers there?

      McDevitt: Absolutely, there are a couple of drivers. I think the main one is just people are trying reduce risk in their portfolios. And you're seeing it on two fronts. One is getting out of equities, but then there is also a push, I should say, which is not necessarily tied to risk, it's more tied to the lack of return on money market funds.

      It's amazing that trends we've seen since the Fed took rates to zero back in December of 2008. Ever since then you saw a huge push into short-term bond funds in particular.

      So I think on one hand, again, it's risk aversion in terms of equities, but then even more than that perhaps it’s money moving from money-market funds into short-term and intermediate-term bond funds.

      Benz: So seeking a little bit of yield pickup. Whether that's a good idea or not, I guess we're not so sure about that, but…

      McDevitt: Right.

      Benz: …It's the trend we're seeing.

      McDevitt: It's certainly understandable, but right, it's a different issue as to whether that's the most prudent use of your assets.

      Benz: Right. So, in terms of the risk-averse group, I know that you mentioned to me earlier that you think that the Flash Crash may have been a little bit of an inflection point for some retail investors. Talk about your thoughts there?

      McDevitt: Sure. Well, we had that strong rebound, that great rally in 2009, and you had maybe some investors trying to dip their toe back into equity funds. But things really turned on a dime in May. You started to see big outflows again, and I think in part that's due to the Flash Crash.

      Again, on that very day, the market was only down about 3%, which in the scheme of things, is not that bad. But for some reason, or I shouldn't say for some reason, I think there was an intellectual or a psychological response to that, where investors felt like there was an issue of market manipulation. And I think there was somewhat of a lack of trust or a loss of trust in the equity markets.

      So, I think for some investors after what they've faced in 2008, in the fall of 2008, and then this on top of it, the Flash Crash. I think for a lot of investors that was the last straw, and they said no matter what happens from here on out, I'm never going to get burned that way again....

    ( how about Why Small Investors Have No Interest In Equities )

    Ah... the flash crash did it! Do check out this incredible video replaying the crash!



    Apparently flash crash on individual stocks seems rather in fashion.

    Last night, on ZH: Will Taseko Mines' Flash Crash Let The Offending Algo Finally Be Punished?


    • Anybody who was trading Taseko Mines (TGB) today, experienced a brief heart attack when the Canadian company lost nearly half its value around 2:33 pm Eastern time. In the blink of an eye, the stock price plunged from $7.20 to the mid $4 in what appeared to be another mini flash crash. Subsequently, it recovered, but only modestly, ending the day down about 10% from its open. What is odd is that not only did a circuitbreaker not get activated following the 40%+ drop, but that the exchanges have not canceled any of the trades, meaning that whoever started the selling avalanche is going to be stuck with their $4.58 sales. And as the charts below show, quite a few shares traded at the new baseline. What is oddest, is that there was absolutely no news in the market to cause this move, and to the best of our knowledge there was no rumors circulating either. Mootley Fool reports: "President and CEO Russell Hallbauer issued a statement saying that management "is unaware of any information that would cause the price of the Company's stock to change materially, as occurred on October 14, 2010." The stock had been trading up as much as 11% before the drop, and had hit a 52-week high. The upward movement was largely because of an upgrade from Jennings Capital analyst Peter Campbell. According to The Globe and Mail, Jennings issued a research note that was bullish on copper prices and upped its price target on Taseko by 28% to $10." Could this be the first time when an inexplicable flash crash driven by some jittery algo will not result in the exchanges handing back the HFT's forfeited money right back to them? We hope going forward every since robotic instability is punished appropriately. To all those whose 30-40% OTM limit buys got triggered, congratulations. Once again, we suggest readers establish limit buy positions 40% away from NBBO in stocks and sectors of preference, as the next flash crash is usually just a millisecond away. If lucky, just like in TGB, your trades will stay good

    Posted last month: They Just Don't Trust Wall Street

    See the following article on ZH: Another Day, Another Flash Crash

    Or how about Today's Flash Crash In Century Aluminum Stunningly NOT Brought To You By Waddell & Reed

    Or how about this one Second Mini Flash Crash In Apple In Same Day

    The nice photo of AAPL on that day:


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